I read many places that the rule of thumb for swap space is to double the amount of physical RAM. However, 32 GB does seem a LOT. Do I need that much? Do I need it at all with this high amount of physical RAM?
92to be completely honest here... you don't even need SWAP, you already have 16GB of RAM unless you seriously think you will ever run out of RAM, you don't need it.– Uri HerreraJun 16, 2011 at 18:55
68That "rule of thumb" originated at a time when most PCs had RAM in single-digit megabytes. It hasn't been meaningful for 10+ years, but it just...won't...die!– Nicholas KnightJun 17, 2011 at 6:21
23@TheX: maybe in some years when people see your comment they will laugh :)– BenoitJun 17, 2011 at 8:57
1Though the 2 questions are similar the other one has no mention of hibernation...– AshuMay 13, 2012 at 7:07
1actually I realised that its not quite as bad, its swap = RAM rather than swap = 2 x RAM– icc97Feb 6, 2015 at 10:31
Here's a very good recommendation from Red Hat: Recommended System Swap Space
An excerpt from the same link:
In years past, the recommended amount of swap space increased linearly with the amount of RAM in the system. However, modern systems often include hundreds of gigabytes of RAM. As a consequence, recommended swap space is considered a function of system memory workload, not system memory.
And another excerpt from an older version of the page:
However, given that swap space is usually designated at install time, and that it can be difficult to determine beforehand the memory workload of a system, we recommend determining system swap using the following table.
RHEL 8 table:
Amount of RAM Recommended swap space Recommended swap space in the system if allowing for hibernation -------------- -------------------------- --------------------------- ⩽ 2 GB 2 times the amount of RAM 3 times the amount of RAM > 2 GB – 8 GB Equal to the amount of RAM 2 times the amount of RAM > 8 GB – 64 GB At least 4 GB 1.5 times the amount of RAM > 64 GB At least 4 GB Hibernation not recommended
At the border between each range listed in the table above, for example a system with 2 GB, 8 GB, or 64 GB of system RAM, discretion can be exercised with regard to chosen swap space and hibernation support. If your system resources allow for it, increasing the swap space may lead to better performance. A swap space of at least 100 GB is recommended for systems with over 140 logical processors or over 3 TB of RAM.
Original RHEL 5 table:
Amount of RAM in the System Recommended Amount of Swap Space 4GB of RAM or less a minimum of 2GB of swap space 4GB to 16GB of RAM a minimum of 4GB of swap space 16GB to 64GB of RAM a minimum of 8GB of swap space 64GB to 256GB of RAM a minimum of 16GB of swap space 256GB to 512GB of RAM a minimum of 32GB of swap space
83The square root of the RAM in GB, rounded up to a power of two.– starblueJun 17, 2011 at 7:57
2There is inconsistencies in the 'new' table - according to the guide 16GB of swap space is appropriate for a 32GB system, but 4GB is appropriate for a 64GB system...– CharlieDec 7, 2016 at 5:29
2@Charlie That's because you're unlikely to run out of working memory with 64GB RAM..– paddotkMay 28, 2017 at 17:49
@Charlie It's not about the amount of system memory, it's about the likelyhood of running out of system memory and how big that shortfall is going to be. Jul 18, 2017 at 20:19
1@ColeJohnson the practical difference is that if you run out of memory on a 32GB system you have some buffer remaining. As soon as a system starts swapping it becomes noticeably unresponsive and you have a chance to investigate. With the 48GB system and no swap, you have more time/memory to execute "normally", but once you run out of space the kernel starts killing processes. On a typical enduser system, you probably end up rebooting once swapping starts so it hardly makes a difference. On a server processing an important workload, it makes sense to have that buffer.– a2800276Jun 10, 2020 at 6:37
It entirely depends on what you plan to do with the machine. For example if it were a Sap server then yes, I would add 32gb swap ( we have boxes at work with 128gb ram and 32gb swap ). If you were manipulating massive pictures and video then it makes sense to have a little swap. 32gb is probably overkill.
However I would not say zero swap.
In the unlikely event that you run out of RAM - perhaps opening a big file, perheps a long running tab in firefox, it doesn't matter, in that event your kernel OOM killer will kick in and start killing applications to get memory back. Under those circumstances it's entirely possible that you will lose data as applications get killed. However if you have a bit of swap then the system will carry on, grabbing swap and allowing the system to continue. System slows down as heavy swapping happens, you notice and investigate before all swap exhausted. Also disk is very cheap, so why not have swap?
Anyone who says "you don't need swap" without asking you what you're actually doing with your computer is making assumptions. Whilst you may well do very little with your computer that eats RAM, it's still best to ask the questions about what you're planning to do with it before making the rash judgement that you don't "need" swap. In my humble opinion
17Can you elaborate why said no to zero swap? Others seem to agree that there's no need for it unless I want to hibernate (which I don't). Jun 16, 2011 at 22:24
4@popey - So what then if the system runs out of swap? Back to square one, there.– userJun 17, 2011 at 14:11
13Having a system with 8 GB of RAM, I can say this: any time I have had a program run away and dip into swap, my system will become mostly unresponsive. It's better to let the OOM killer run than to have to force an unclean reboot anyway; if you have that much RAM, unless you're doing very very heavy work that requires gigabytes of RAM, you'll be fine. Even when you do have heavy lifting, there's usually a way to process it that doesn't require swap space (which is less efficient than sane large-dataset handling in the application itself). Jun 20, 2011 at 3:59
6Space may be cheap on HDDs, but on SSDs it's hardly cheap; not as expensive as DAM, but still. Jan 8, 2012 at 15:36
4If your systems use 31GB swap and you need the last GB, they will probably be very sloooow. IMHO if you constantly need more than 2GB swap you should install more RAM. Dec 13, 2013 at 13:55
Argh. The answers on this post are so very wrong, and this comes up as one of the first results in a Google search for "How much swap?"
First, a good point of reference is the Ubuntu Swap FAQ
This FAQ makes an important point that no one here mentions, and that is (emphasis mine)
Sometimes, a large program (like OpenOffice, Neverwinter Nights, or a video editor) make the entire system need extra memory. A significant number of the pages used by these large programs during its startup may only be used for initialization and then never used again. The system can swap out those pages and free the memory for other programs or even for the disk cache. In these cases, swap will be used to help the system handle any extra load.
So, swap is not just for hibernation! This activity, swapping out unused pages, can be beneficial in some scenarios and detrimental in others. Beneficial because it can free up memory for the system to use elsewhere, but detrimental when that swap out is too aggressive, and swaps out pages you actually do want. This is especially true on a desktop system where applications can sit idle for long periods of time, but the user still expects immediate performance when bringing it back to life. The control for how aggressive this is, is referred to as swappiness
The Ubuntu Swap FAQ discusses this lightly under What is swappiness and how do I change it? The default value on an Ubuntu system is 60, while the FAQ recommends a value of 10 for a desktop machine.
So, I would say that it is generally very important to not have a system with absolutely no swap space, as some people were recommending on this question, unless you know for certain very specific usage scenarios for your system and are very aware of the consequences it could have. (Personally, there is no situation where I would run a system without swap) In an Out of Memory scenario with no swap, the system will start killing processes (generally the one that caused the OOM)
7Upvote for the link to the FAQ, and for introducing some sanity amidst the opinions and anecdotal evidence. Jun 24, 2012 at 17:04
2The point is there is no such large programs yet and your link saying just opposite of this. See this help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq#How_much_swap_do_I_need.3F– AnwarOct 18, 2012 at 16:48
4To relieve memory from extra load, I'd prefer zRAM and swappiness=60 , rather than traditional HDD swap. Jun 30, 2013 at 7:27
Probably not. If you plan to hibernate your computer (suspend-to-disk) then you'll need at least 16 GB. If you won't hibernate, it is enough to let a few gigabytes for swap (4-8 max.)
2I have no swap at all and can hibernate/suspend my laptop just fine.– scribuJun 17, 2011 at 9:05
9@scribu this sounds interesting. I suspect that there is maybe a swap file somewhere because for completely powering off your laptop (i.e. unplug and remove battery) the contents of the RAM must be saved– bandiJun 17, 2011 at 20:34
12It is quite possible to hibernate with 16gb of ram and 4gb of swap: you just need to be using less than 4gb when you go to hibernate.– psusiJun 24, 2012 at 3:48
1@psusi Linux will try to compress memory. Less swap = more aggressive compression. Jun 2, 2019 at 8:58
From experience I can say this:
For what I have seen using 4GB of ram for 3 years, Ubuntu has had a swap usage of around 60MB but only when doing some very intensive tasks. A couple of weeks ago I started using a PC that had 16GB of ram and the swap usage has stayed in 0% for ever. I have done multiple compiles, video rendering and other intensive tasks. There has never been a change in swap. Not even a 1KB change.
Basically, in Ubuntu, the more memory RAM you have, the less likely you will use or need swap for any task. 16GB of ram, or even 8GB of ram is more than enough. I have done with the 16GB PC 8 Virtualbox PCs (each between 1GB to 2GB of ram). I have compiled and rendered a 720p video and not even in those conditions has the swap changed.
With that said, the rule of twice as much memory ram should not apply on Linux based systems, even more so if you have more memory. You should however have the same size of swap equal to your ram size or if you are planning to hibernate, since the process of hibernation grabs everything in ram and puts it on swap, which is why you need a minimum size equal to your ram size for swap.
The other detail is that some apps (not all) will still force to read from swap. So having a bit is good. Disabling it altogether is very bad in the case you get to the point of out of memory or OOM. At this point if you do not have swap, there is no way the kernel can swap in/out different ram app usages and will eventually start killing the less used ones.
If it helps with home desktop decision making, after updating this answer in more than 4 years, I have used a 16gb, 32gb and now a 64gb ram PC. Testing with only 128MB of swap revealed that I had no need for larger swap except if I wanted to hibernate. I have used cloud environments on them, lxc, virtualbox, wine, you name it. I have rendered videos with openshot, kazam, handbrake, audacity. I have used gimp, blender, Inkscape and even the full LibreOffice suite. I even played on steam and in none of those scenarios the swap was used. Of course, it will eventually get used if you end up using the full ram amount in one way or another but in general the more ram you have, the less swap you'll need.
Just my 2 cents.
1Man I love the way you explained it and experienced it...This is a wonderfull answer Nov 12, 2017 at 17:37
No, you don't need 32 GB as long as you don't use features like suspend to disk.
In most cases, I'd say you don't need any at all. Perhaps if you edit very large image files, or some other app that needs lots of ram, you might need some.
I've never seen any used at all on my system, similar to yours. In fact, at one time, I had it disabled for a week or two accidentally, and never noticed any problem. But I still keep about 5GB for my swap drive, mainly because I have over 1TB available, and don't use all the space as it is.
I remember seeing it used once, when I used Wubi and I hibernated. May 13, 2012 at 2:05
2If you use hibernation, that may be a good reason to have enough swap space to save the machine's state. I'd guess you would never need more than the amount of available memory, unless perhaps you are using enough at the time to be using swap space already. May 13, 2012 at 2:16
If you use hibernate, it's safe to have as much swap as your amount of RAM.
For a general rule of thumb on how much swap to have, read here:
In your case I'd say 4 GB would be enough to match your RAM.
If your ram is higher than 1GB, it is usually enough for ubuntu. The "Swap = RAM x2" rule is for old computers with 256 or 128mb of ram.
So 1 GB of swap is usually enough for 4GB of RAM. 8 GB would be too much.
From Ubuntu's SwapFaq:
Why do I need swap?
Memory consuming programs Sometimes, a large program (like LibreOffice, Neverwinter Nights, or a video editor) make the entire system need extra memory. A significant number of the pages used by these large programs during its startup may only be used for initialization and then never used again. The system can swap out those pages and free the memory for other programs or even for the disk cache. In these cases, swap will be used to help the system handle any extra load.
Hibernation (suspend-to-disk) The hibernation feature (suspend-to-disk) writes out the contents of RAM to the swap partition before turning off the machine. Therefore, your swap partition should be at least as big as your RAM size. The hibernation implementation currently used in Ubuntu, swsusp, needs a swap or suspend partition. It cannot use a swap file on an active file system.
Unforeseeable Circumstances Unforeseeable events can and will happen (a program going crazy, some action needing much more space than you thought, or any other unpredictable combination of events). In these cases, swap can give you an extra delay to figure out what happened, or to finish what you are working on.
Optimizing memory usage Since mechanical hard drives are considerably slower than RAM (SSD - Solid State Drive - storage is not as slow as physical drives, but still slower than RAM), when you need a file (be it a data file like a video, executables like Firefox, or libraries), the Linux kernel reads the file into RAM and keeps it there, so that the next time you need it, it is already in RAM and data access is much faster. The portions of RAM that accelerate disk read are called "cached memory." You will notice that they make a huge difference in terms of responsiveness. The Linux kernel automatically moves RAM reserved by programs--but not really used--into swap, so that it can serve the better purpose of extending cached memory.
Optimizing Swap performance Because swap space uses a disk device, this can cause performance issues in any system that uses swap space significantly because the system itself may also be using the same disk device at the same time that it is required for swap operations. One way to reduce this problem is to have swap space on a different physical drive so that the competition for that resource is either reduced or eliminated.
How much swap do I need?
For less then 1GB of physical memory (RAM), it's highly recommended that the swap space should, as a base minimum, be equal to the amount of RAM. Also, it's recommended that the swap space is maximum twice the amount of RAM depending upon the amount of hard disk space available for the system because of diminishing returns.
For more modern systems (>1GB), your swap space should be at a minimum be equal to your physical memory (RAM) size "if you use hibernation", otherwise you need a minimum of round(sqrt(RAM)) and a maximum of twice the amount of RAM. The only downside to having more swap space than you will actually use, is the disk space you will be reserving for it.
The "diminishing returns" means that if you need more swap space than twice your RAM size, you'd better add more RAM as Hard Disk Drive (HDD) access is about 10³ slower then RAM access, so something that would take 1 second, suddenly takes more then 15 minutes! And still more then a minute on a fast Solid State Drive (SSD)...
RAM(GB) No hibernation With Hibernation Maximum 1 1 2 2 2 1 3 4 3 2 5 6 4 2 6 8 5 2 7 10 6 2 8 12 8 3 11 16 12 3 15 24 16 4 20 32 24 5 29 48 32 6 38 64 64 8 72 128 128 11 139 256
1Guess where the SwapFaq came from? ;-) +1– FabbySep 4, 2018 at 7:57
Great answer @Fabby +1 Oct 7, 2020 at 13:13
You only need swap if you want to use hibernate for the rest it is a wast of space on your harddrive.
6Hibernate need swap space but not as bi as the RAM size, only as big as RAM usage at the moment of hibernate. Sleep do not need any swap, because the RAM is still active and hold the data. Jun 17, 2011 at 4:11
@Donny Kurnia thank you I didn't know that. But my laptop likes to use swap when it goes to sleep. I look if I can edit it.– RensJun 17, 2011 at 6:14
1you can do experiment by disabling the swap
sudo swapoff -athen sleep your laptop. Jun 20, 2011 at 7:56
@Donny Kurnia I've did it and sleep does still work.– RensJun 20, 2011 at 15:11
If you use hibernation your swap should have at least the same amount as your physical ram.
I have a laptop with 4GB of RAM and Ubuntu 16.04. After boot it consumes around 1GB of RAM and even then Inkscape (for example) won't run (System monitor shows more than 50% of free RAM). Inkscape freezes After I apply a swap file it runs as expected, even with no one single byte of swap being used). So I recommend a swap partition (or swap file). About the size of it, you can use david6 rule.
I think you got it the other way round. SWAP Recommendation, you would need ~16GB. So SWAP should be 1/2 of the actual RAM size. But still thats a LOT of space. Depends what you need it for. I'd say, if you don't use "hibernate", keep around ~4GB to ~8GB if you can afford the disk space. Since you have 16GB, I assume you may be using a computer which needs powerful resources... so maybe it might be beneficial to have 16GB to 32GB SWAP as well.
I have 2GB RAM and 1GB SWAP. I do pretty much fine with it, but that's just my opinion. Look at the other comments/suggestions and see what they say.
I could not find references to quote here, but if you are going to use an application where you need to swap out entire data in RAM, you would atleast need 'RAM size+128 MB' or '1.25 times of RAM Size' (i forgot which one was correct) assuming you have RAM more than 2 GB. If RAM is 2GB or less, it is recommended to have twice RAM size as swap.I followed this recommendation in my previous organisation for IBM AIX based on a document from IBM. I believe this holds true for most of *nix since the use of swap is move data from RAM safely in case RAM is not enough to handle the data to be loaded in memory. 'free' command can be used to evaluate how much swap is used in reality.
I have a Mac laptop, which I leave on for months. Although much better than Windows, memory does creep in, particularly with your browser, if you keep it up. So eventually, memory fills up. Now if you have swap, as other people have noted, you can survive, notice and kill something. But more to the point, if you have swap, some pages get swapped out and you can keep going.
So if you're planning on leaving the machine up for a long time, swap is a handy way to free up memory from zombie junk. Granted it will take you longer to fill up 16g than me with 3gb, but it's still nice. For this purpose, 4Gb will do.
If it is a laptop then keeping at least the swap equal to the amount of RAM, to fully allow hibernation. I would still keep an amount equal to the amount of RAM even if a desktop, but that is just me; it will get little use in a desktop.
Keep this in mind -
You should typically size your swap space to approximately 2x main memory for systems with less than 2GB of RAM, or approximately 1x main memory if you have more
So If you have 4 Gb ram you should never ever need swap unless hibernating
Swap required would be around 3 - 3.5 Gb, not more than that.
So use your common sense and dont waste disk space
If you're building very big files, say for instance if you're building machine translation systems on a laptop (yea ok why would you wanna do that? I for one can say that my professors are making me ;-)) the answer is a clear yes, actually at this moment I'm regretting not making it 32GB swap....
For casual use of Ubuntu for office work and internet no you're never going to use even 2 GB of swap but in reality there is no clear answer, it all depends on what you are going to do on your computer...
Too much information, and variance in opinion.
My suggested Ubuntu desktop guidelines:
amount of RAM recommended swap with hibernation ---------------- ---------------- ---------------- less than 4GB 2x RAM size 3x RAM size up to 8GB 4GB 2x RAM size up to 16GB 4GB 1.5x RAM size 16GB or more 4GB No extra needed
No one seems to have mentioned another reason to have significant swap space is to have the system noticeably slow down rather than fail to run programs as you start running out of memory. If you have a load balancer in front that redirects on failure you may want to keep swap small (say 1GB), If you want programs to slow down first, then I would consider 4GB + square root of memory size, and if you want them to really slow down before things die, then keep to min of 1.25 time memory size (as long as impatient humans don't give up first - this would be more appropriate for background jobs).
I configure 1GB for my development and production machines as a standard, then it doesn't matter how much or little real memory they have, they have enough to compile all the programs I want, and to swap out practically never used programs to use the freed up memory for disk buffering.
In comparison, I have 64GB of swap on my 32GB laptop, which is a bit of an overkill, but I wanted to make sure it always kept working even if slowly, and I knew I was going to run multiple memory hungry virtual machines. An unexpected effect is when you have 32GB+ memory range then resuming from hibernation (which reloads 32GB of memory) is noticeably slower than a cold boot.
No, you definitely don't need 32GB. As a rule for a desktop system I'd say your swap should be somewhere between 4GB and physical RAM + a couple GB. So for 16GB physical RAM, swap may be 4GB to 18GB, perhaps.
The stuff you will need to swap to the swap space will roughly equal the amount of physical RAM in use by applications that stay resident - that is, system services and applications that stay running while you are using them (as opposed to tasks that run once then quit). On a desktop system let's say you may leave open a browser, word processor, email program and graphics or video editor while you work on something else. Those may easily occupy over 2GB, maybe over 4GB. So maybe 6GB of swap is appropriate.
As a general rule it's doesn't hurt to have a few GB more than you need, too. Swap usually won't be used if you have a lot of RAM but it helps out on the occasion when some process is using an excessive amount and you start to get low, and can prevent the system killing processes.
Note: if you want to use OS hibernation you'll need all 16GB as mentioned, but modern computers don't benefit much from hibernation. If you have a fast SSD, booting may be as fast or faster than resuming from hibernate, and modern computers use negligible energy while in sleep mode that the energy usage benefit from hibernate is not a big factor.