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When recently installing Lubuntu 19.10 I notice there is no bluetooth indicator present, although bluedevil is installed and I can run "Bluedevil Wizard". In order to get an indicator I have installed blueman. Am I supposed to do that and not have a bluetooth indicator by default?

(By the way, this 18.10 problem still affects me in 19.10: Bluetooth connection (Bluez) not working after logout (works after restart). In the context of that question - different from this one as it may be: with just bluedevil I cannot even see my bluetooth device and cannot add it at all. I need blueman to see and add the device, and then reinstall bluez or restart when the linked problem appears.)

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